Poll Vote of Confidence: Paul Hewitt (1/18)

[Junkees9]

I've never thought he was much of a coach and he certainly has done nothing to change my mind. Time to find someone who can energize the program again. Dump him!

 

[patriot2000]

I get that angle too, and I really dont have a problem with it. They arent Hewitt, and quite frankly I would assume some of them have their own opinions on Hewitt and don't mind the chants or think they are off base.

I think the players would just prefer that the fans who show up to the game support them in a positive way. Calling for anyone's firing is not positive.

 

[Patriotfan49]

I think the players would just prefer that the fans who show up to the game support them in a positive way. Calling for anyone's firing is not positive.

The fans are plenty positive of the players. Plus I think you are selling the players as being thinned skin. Like I said, it's no secret were 0-6 and they are frustrated too, it's not surprising I'm sure for them to hear some discontent. It's sports....let's stop acting as if a few students in a barely audible chant about firing the coach is going to send our players crying to the locker room.

 

[patriot2000]

It's funny that you're critical of Tom's reading in one thread, then in another turn "I think the players would prefer" into "crying to the locker room"

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[Junkees9]

I do support the players -- and have for a very long time. But this coach is getting paid a ton of money and he is NOT getting the job done. This is a business. He is accountable for results. And the results are extremely poor and getting worse. Unless he can pull off a miracle his days here are numbered. I hope he can pull off that miracle. But there is NO reason to think he can or will. Season ticket holders and Patriot Club Members are like stockholders. And I want more for my return than I'm getting with this guy.

 

[Quentin Daniels]

I think the players would just prefer that the fans who show up to the game support them in a positive way. Calling for anyone's firing is not positive.

I think the players would prefer to win games. Getting them a capable coach would be a positive step in supporting that.

 

[Patriotfan49]

It's funny that you're critical of Tom's reading in one thread, then in another turn "I think the players would prefer" into "crying to the locker room"

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I got your point, I was just using sarcasm there. Guess that isnt allowed. Thought you may be able to understand the general point through the sarcasm.....

Now if I had said, by saying you think the players would prefer X and I took that to mean that you are automatically saying Hewitt is an all star coach and excusing him of all issues....now that is more like what I was talking about in the other thread.

 

[patriot2000]

I got your point, I was just using sarcasm there. Guess that isnt allowed. Thought you may be able to understand the general point through the sarcasm.....

Now if I had said, by saying you think the players would prefer X and I took that to mean that you are automatically saying Hewitt is an all star coach and excusing him of all issues....now that is more like what I was talking about in the other thread.

I get what you're talking about in the other thread but I still don't see it the same way you do. But that's between you and Tom. My issue was with you twisting my words.

It's funny, but none of your responses showed that you got my point. But then, doing what you do in literally every thread, someone disagrees with you so you insult their reading comprehension. Also, you used hyperbole, not sarcasm. At least know which literary device you are using before you levy yet another personal attack on a fellow fan and poster.

Your general point may be right or wrong, but either way it doesn't have anything to do with mine and I see no need to be insulting... again. An article was posted. In that article, a Hewitt player said he doesn't appreciate the public attacks on his coach during games. I speculated that our current players may feel the same way. I know I wouldn't like it, as I've experienced something similar and it was rather annoying to me and my teammates.

My point was clearly only about the Fire Hewitt chants in the game, as I have been very critical of Hewitt on the boards and have no problem with others doing the same. Your first reponse made it about Hewitt - who deserves the chants, so he needs to grow up and deal with it. I reminded that my issue was not that Hewitt deserves better, but that the players do. I am guessing that the students would prefer not to be supported in that manner. Then you said I was accusing the kids of having thin skin. You say you get my point, but my point is not about the players' "skin." It's about the way athletes feel about fan support, regardless of how they personally feel about their coach. It's about an actual Hewitt player saying "I don't like that" and me pointing it out for those who didn't read the article.

Not everything has to be a fight, and exaggeration and hyperbole don't need to constantly be used to prove points that really can't and don't need to be proven anyway.

I don't agree with the, "Things aren't going so well so let's eat our own" mentality I see from you and some others. You can check every one of my posts, and you will probably see that you are the only poster I've responded to in a negative way since these boards were created. Somehow, we were fortunate to leave most of that behind on the old boards. Several posters are talking about how they don't like that you and a couple of others brought it here. But, whatever, post however you want. If it were me, I'd take a step back. We're not the enemy.

 

[azgmu]

Somebody could tell you the Redskins suck and you would take the opposite side just for the sake of argument.

That's downright easy to do, you just take the line that they're a good team at the core that's being held back by powers (Snyder) beyond their control. Example, how McNabb (and others) was good before he came to Washington.

 

[Dawgs99]

I got your point, I was just using sarcasm there. Guess that isnt allowed. Thought you may be able to understand the general point through the sarcasm.....

Now if I had said, by saying you think the players would prefer X and I took that to mean that you are automatically saying Hewitt is an all star coach and excusing him of all issues....now that is more like what I was talking about in the other thread.

I thought you didn't use sarcasm on the boards....thought you were a straight shooter? You loose all credibility when you say things like Moore's assists from Saturday really shouldn't count because if J2 hadn't made those jumpers he wouldn't have gotten the assist, or if Jalen hadn't made that great drive MM wouldn't have gotten the asssit. I guess Chaz Williams doesn't get the assist when he passes it to Lalanne and he scores? We are having a terrible season, everything that could go wrong pretty much has and even when one of our more promising players has what I think was his best game you poo poo it. Your uber negative posts are often warranted I agree, but even in this terrible season there have been some good individual performances by our young guys that should not be marked with an * because they don't meet your standards.

 

[Patriotfan49]

I thought you didn't use sarcasm on the boards....thought you were a straight shooter? You loose all credibility when you say things like Moore's assists from Saturday really shouldn't count because if J2 hadn't made those jumpers he wouldn't have gotten the assist, or if Jalen hadn't made that great drive MM wouldn't have gotten the asssit. I guess Chaz Williams doesn't get the assist when he passes it to Lalanne and he scores? We are having a terrible season, everything that could go wrong pretty much has and even when one of our more promising players has what I think was his best game you poo poo it. Your uber negative posts are often warranted I agree, but even in this terrible season there have been some good individual performances by our young guys that should not be marked with an * because they don't meet your standards.

I knew that wouldnt make much sense, but I put it out there anyway. Assists are assists as long as teh person scores, Im not debating that. My point was, the assists are great when guys are making jumpers. But that wont always be the case. I would much prefer to see my PG dishing to guys cutting to the hoop, and scoring and creating off the dribble (like the GW pg was) then simply being the last person to touch the ball before a guy hit a jumper or worked his way spinning through the lane and getting a bucket like Jalen did most the night. I said it was nitpicky to begin with before I even mentioned it. Does the premise make sense to you?

I disagree about this being Moores best performance. When he was driving to the hole with a plan and scoring earlier in the season I thought he was playing better. Games like UNI, vcu. However that doesnt mean he was awful Satruday or has been...hes been a pleasant surprise. To me he was super indecisive this game, and hesitant. Other posters noticed it in the GWU thread as well as other season ticket holders around me. It caught me off guard, because I had come to expect him to play like he had with aggressiveness. Watching him satruday in person, I was surprsised those were his stats..because it seemed alot different in person. This is not to say that he is terrible, or going to not pan out...its just one game.

 

[Patriotfan49]

I get what you're talking about in the other thread but I still don't see it the same way you do. But that's between you and Tom. My issue was with you twisting my words.

It's funny, but none of your responses showed that you got my point. But then, doing what you do in literally every thread, someone disagrees with you so you insult their reading comprehension. Also, you used hyperbole, not sarcasm. At least know which literary device you are using before you levy yet another personal attack on a fellow fan and poster.

Your general point may be right or wrong, but either way it doesn't have anything to do with mine and I see no need to be insulting... again. An article was posted. In that article, a Hewitt player said he doesn't appreciate the public attacks on his coach during games. I speculated that our current players may feel the same way. I know I wouldn't like it, as I've experienced something similar and it was rather annoying to me and my teammates.

My point was clearly only about the Fire Hewitt chants in the game, as I have been very critical of Hewitt on the boards and have no problem with others doing the same. Your first reponse made it about Hewitt - who deserves the chants, so he needs to grow up and deal with it. I reminded that my issue was not that Hewitt deserves better, but that the players do. I am guessing that the students would prefer not to be supported in that manner. Then you said I was accusing the kids of having thin skin. You say you get my point, but my point is not about the players' "skin." It's about the way athletes feel about fan support, regardless of how they personally feel about their coach. It's about an actual Hewitt player saying "I don't like that" and me pointing it out for those who didn't read the article.

Not everything has to be a fight, and exaggeration and hyperbole don't need to constantly be used to prove points that really can't and don't need to be proven anyway.

I don't agree with the, "Things aren't going so well so let's eat our own" mentality I see from you and some others. You can check every one of my posts, and you will probably see that you are the only poster I've responded to in a negative way since these boards were created. Somehow, we were fortunate to leave most of that behind on the old boards. Several posters are talking about how they don't like that you and a couple of others brought it here. But, whatever, post however you want. If it were me, I'd take a step back. We're not the enemy.

Where did I personally attack you or insult you? Because I thought you could see beyond the "hyperbole" and understand my general point?

Also, like I said I got your point about whether in general it was thought that it was negtive or was an ill effect to the players to hear those things...and I told you my opinion on it. The "hyperbole" wasnt soo much about you, but some other posts as well that keep talking about if the players will be negatively effected by something the crowd does. Like I said, again...if they are that sensitive that such a small portion of the crowd effects them....thats not good. That was my point with the thin skin portion...

I didnt say Hewitt deserves them, just that I dont have an issue with some fans doing it and frankly it doesnt bother me that they are happening. Its sports, its coaches and players and fans....these are things that happen at the games sometimes. What else are ultimately powerless fans supposed to do?

Also Im not eating our own. Ive said before, Im negative probably more than most and dont see the use in finding and grasping at silver linings. But none of what I have said, has been unwarranted or completely off base at all...its just a product from watching us play and HEwitt coach. Feel free to think of me, or anybody else with an opposing view point as drains or horrible people I suppose. Ive never thrown out profanity laced tirades about Hewitt like Jim, Ive never said some things like GS2.....but because they have I dont think they are detriments to the board. Youve never met me in person, so I would hope you wouldnt rush to judgement, but suit yourself. I have talked to a couple people outside the boards including somebody like Tom who we often disagree but we get along well and frankly only want the same things. Some are more expressive in posting, some arent. Neither should be an indictment on who they are as a person.

 

[gmutom]

I think it's time for a group hug, with the exception of Jollay who I'm assuming smells like a**.

 

[patriot2000]

Pat49 - I have nothing against you personally and hope I didn't imply that. Lately I don’t appreciate your posting style but don't begrudge you your lchoices. But if you don't think you frequently show an Eat Our Own mentality, you are really not aware of how many of your posts come across. To say "I thought you could have seen..." or "I thought you would understand" is insulting in the context in which you said it. Either you meant it as a jab and are back pedaling or you didn't mean it as a jab and need to be much more careful of how you come across.

But whatever... I seriously wasn't trying to start anything. I'm just a crusader for civility. Probably comes from teaching an increasing population of douchebags.

If I said anything about you as a person, I apologize. I've genuinely enjoyed talking to every poster I've met in "real life."

 

[patriot2000]

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[Patriotfan49]

Pat49 - I have nothing against you personally and hope I didn't imply that. Lately I don’t appreciate your posting style but don't begrudge you your lchoices. But if you don't think you frequently show an Eat Our Own mentality, you are really not aware of how many of your posts come across. To say "I thought you could have seen..." or "I thought you would understand" is insulting in the context in which you said it. Either you meant it as a jab and are back pedaling or you didn't mean it as a jab and need to be much more careful of how you come across.

But whatever... I seriously wasn't trying to start anything. I'm just a crusader for civility. Probably comes from teaching an increasing population of douchebags.

If I said anything about you as a person, I apologize. I've genuinely enjoyed talking to every poster I've met in "real life."

Its a difference of opinions, much like I dont really care for people thinking everything is a-ok when things are bad and find ways to excuse the situation and responsibility and gather any silver lining they can to make themselves feel better (part of the reason I have a hard time listening to Skins fans/media)....you dont like the opposite. Thats fine and not a problem.

Sorry that came off as insulting, I didnt mean it as such...I just meant it for what it says. Things often are easily misconstrued or hard to read in just text. My fault. Civility is all good and useful. I hardly think being critical of a crumbling program is uncivil, if that is what you are implying....but I will do better to make sure to consider how things come out.

 

[patriot2000]

Surely I am not implying that being critical of this program is uncivil, as I am plenty vocal as a critic. I'm speaking mostly of how we treat each other. And honestly the chants don't sit well with me, but I get it.

 

[Petey Buckets]

It's concerning to me that Hewitt got 14 votes of confidence. That's insane.

2011-2012: Can't make the tournament with Ryan Pearson and Mike Morrison as seniors
2012-2013: Can't make the tournament over the weakest field in CAA history (maybe exaggerating but not by much)
2013-2014: Not even remotely competitive despite having three seniors who have been under Hewitt's tutelage for three years

Maybe you can explain away any one of those years as an aberration, but the fact that we were never close to an at-large bid means we weren't as competitive as we need to be. As a program we're heading in the wrong direction and that falls on Hewitt. Hewitt needs to be relieved of his duties at the end of the season so we can find our own Mike Lonergan.

 

[Five Two]

so we can find our own Mike Lonergan.

Everyone is jumping on the Lonergan bandwagon, but his first two years were not viewed as "building" by many at GW. He lost one assistant in the offseason to Georgetown and another left right as school was starting for a reason.

His first year they went 10-21 and lost ten of their last twelve games.
Last year, they were 13-17 and lost seven of their last nine games. So its not like they were playing better as the season came to and end had "experts" believing they were getting better.

GW is having a great year and Lonergran has to be given credit, but at the end of last season there were many at GW that were wondering where the program was going after two seasons sub-.500 seasons with both finishing on bad losing streaks and no real concrete evidence they were on the upswing.

But I understand the point that we need to look for a new coach.

 

[Petey Buckets]

But I understand the point that we need to look for a new coach.

That's the point I was trying to make. I've been pretty consistent in saying that Hewitt gets this year to show us what he's got. I wasn't really for or against him coming into the year. I was hoping he could get these guys into shape and put us in position for an at-large. It's not always fair to pass judgment on a guy after two years, but I'm of the mind that three years is enough of a sample size to make a decision.