Goodbye Keyshawn Hall

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He is just a product of the environment. Probably a good kid, but his is just playing the game and got to make a few mil. Don't hate on him for that, hate the stupid idiots allowing all of college sports to go down the drain. I will hate Hall for quitting on us though.
 

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He is just a product of the environment. Probably a good kid, but his is just playing the game and got to make a few mil. Don't hate on him for that, hate the stupid idiots allowing all of college sports to go down the drain. I will hate Hall for quitting on us though.
I am pretty sure we all hate him for quitting, not just for xferring.
 

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Good for Keshawn I guess. I'll root for his success from here on out. Once a Patriot, Always a Patriot. Hate him or love him, him making the league only makes Mason look better. Another former Patriot possibly in the league. Tony can use his stop at Mason as a recruiting tool. I don't blame Keshawn for what he did, I blame the current college sports system that enables that sort of behavior.

Keshawn was always very interactive with my kids and took the time to make them smile when they came through the autograph line or post game high fives. This past year, half the team was on their phones when signing.

Ehh, I disagree. He quit on the team right before the conference tournament. The system has changed, but that behavior is still dishonorable, even in today’s landscape.

That’s something I’m perfectly okay judging negatively, regardless of how the system has changed.
 

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Fortunately for him he already made his millions at Auburn..

If he’s smart with his money, he should be set for life.

I think most pro athletes wind up squandering their money unfortunately. It’s the lottery problem (going from zero to millionaire overnight with no scaffolding).

Was watching that Outlast show (no idea how it’s legal—one guy left the show with 25% 3rd degree burns after passing out into a fire) and there was a former NFL player on it who talked about it (I was young and stupid and squandered most of my salary).
 

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I think most pro athletes wind up squandering their money unfortunately. It’s the lottery problem (going from zero to millionaire overnight with no scaffolding).

Was watching that Outlast show (no idea how it’s legal—one guy left the show with 25% 3rd degree burns after passing out into a fire) and there was a former NFL player on it who talked about it (I was young and stupid and squandered most of my salary).
It’s frustrating watching athletes burn through millions. Hall reportedly made $2.5 million at Auburn. If he paid himself a $100,000 annual salary and invested the rest, he’d likely have at least $2 million by age 65, and potentially much more.

Conservative estimate: About $2 million (4% annual return)

Reasonable long-term estimate: About $18 million (7% annual average return)

U.S. stock market historical average: Nearly $78 million (10% annual average return)

And that’s before accounting for whatever he earns during his professional career, even if he never makes the NBA and plays overseas.
 
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Ehh, I disagree. He quit on the team right before the conference tournament. The system has changed, but that behavior is still dishonorable, even in today’s landscape.

That’s something I’m perfectly okay judging negatively, regardless of how the system has changed
That is the the dumbest take I've heard. Every athlete's situation is different and none of them are in a Mason uniform for altruistic reasons.
They are part of the roster because the financial numbers worked out.

The portal was open when Key played at Mason. An offer presented itself and he took it.

If he had been my son, I would told him to do exactly the same thing because tomorrow is not guaranteed.

He could havr rejected the offer then injured himself afterwards and his market value shot.

All that honor you speak of would not have helped him at that point.

No sir, I commend him and his family seizing the opportunity while the Iron was hot.
 

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That is the the dumbest take I've heard. Every athlete's situation is different and none of them are in a Mason uniform for altruistic reasons.
They are part of the roster because the financial numbers worked out.

The portal was open when Key played at Mason. An offer presented itself and he took it.

If he had been my son, I would told him to do exactly the same thing because tomorrow is not guaranteed.

He could havr rejected the offer then injured himself afterwards and his market value shot.

All that honor you speak of would not have helped him at that point.

No sir, I commend him and his family seizing the opportunity while the Iron was hot.
You are ok with players quitting during the season, when they have been paid to play a full season, when healthy?
 

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You are ok with players quitting during the season, when they have been paid to play a full season, when healthy?
For me personally, I hated it in the moment. However, I can't really blame an 18-20 year old kid who is basically being guaranteed a huge pay day. It is what's wrong with the system right now that guys are being recruited and offered by other schools in the middle of a season.
 

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You are ok with players quitting during the season, when they have been paid to play a full season, when healthy?
Do we know for a fact that the University gave him a full season worth of compensation in advance??

I am pretty sure he was paid on regular weekly, bi-weekly, bi-weekly, bi-monthly or monthly basis like any other job....which means he was only compensated for the games that he played...nothing more and nothing less.

College Basketball was a business back in 23-24..the only difference is less coaches and players had figured it out at that point ...key recognized the landscape before others and capitalized on it...I call that opportunism..nothing wrong with that...

His ultimate goal was to get to the NBA...not graduate from any school in particular...he did what he thought what was right for his career.
 

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Do we know for a fact that the University gave him a full season worth of compensation in advance??

I am pretty sure he was paid on regular weekly, bi-weekly, bi-weekly, bi-monthly or monthly basis like any other job....which means he was only compensated for the games that he played...nothing more and nothing less.

College Basketball was a business back in 23-24..the only difference is less coaches and players had figured it out at that point ...key recognized the landscape before others and capitalized on it...I call that opportunism..nothing wrong with that...

His ultimate goal was to get to the NBA...not graduate from any school in particular...he did what he thought what was right for his career.

Trading up teams to get a better payday is not the reason that Key became persona non-grata. He's considered a jerk-off because he quit on the team.

In comparison, for example, there is a HUUUUUGE difference from the way Jaylen Haynes handled his playing career with Mason over Keyshawn Hall. Haynes knew he was leaving Mason for a bigger check way before the 24-25 season ended. Jaylen played every game, played to win, played with the team—even through the NIT (the same goes for Baraka Okojie at the end of his freshman season, sans NIT).

The bigger issue is that Key quit on the team before the end of the regular season.

Conclusion...
Jaylen Haynes = Total Class
Keyshawn Hall = Complete A$$
 
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As I heard, Key quit in the team following his last check clearing. And what others have said is right. It's not that he left for a bigger check, I think most of us would to, but he pretended to have an injury so he didn't have to play. That shows low character, and that's the reason he is not thought of well on these boards. The only person who could think it's ok to quit on your team just so you don't really get hurt is someone who's never played high level sports as a key contributor to that team. (Get it, 'key' contributor. I amuse myself sometimes.)
 

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That is the the dumbest take I've heard. Every athlete's situation is different and none of them are in a Mason uniform for altruistic reasons.
They are part of the roster because the financial numbers worked out.

The portal was open when Key played at Mason. An offer presented itself and he took it.

If he had been my son, I would told him to do exactly the same thing because tomorrow is not guaranteed.

He could havr rejected the offer then injured himself afterwards and his market value shot.

All that honor you speak of would not have helped him at that point.

No sir, I commend him and his family seizing the opportunity while the Iron was hot.
Dumbest take? I know I’ve made way dumber takes in the past lol.
 

jkh1978

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As I heard, Key quit in the team following his last check clearing. And what others have said is right. It's not that he left for a bigger check, I think most of us would to, but he pretended to have an injury so he didn't have to play. That shows low character, and that's the reason he is not thought of well on these boards. The only person who could think it's ok to quit on your team just so you don't really get hurt is someone who's never played high level sports as a key contributor to that team. (Get it, 'key' contributor. I amuse myself sometimes.)
I'm sad that Mincy left, but no ill will. He was playing hurt. He did not give up on his team like someone else. Its hard that the team keeps changing, but I am not going to cheer for a quitter.
 
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