Game 8: GMU (6-1) at Toledo (3-3) on Saturday, December 2, at 7:00 PM.

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The game is on ESPN+.

Toledo is a member of the Mid American Conference (MAC). Toledo was picked to finish 4th in MAC preseason polls. Dante Maddox Jr. was chosen to the preseason MAC first team.

KenPom: Gives us a 40% chance of winning.
GMU - 107
Toledo - 114
NET:
GMU - 139
Toledo - 82

We are 2-3 (.400) against Toledo all-time.

Toledo is currently 3-3 overall. They are 2-0 at home, 1-0 on the road, and 0-3 at neutral sites.

Wins: Detroit Mercy (94-60), Louisiana (87-78), Wright St. (78-77)
Losses: New Mexico (92-84), UC Irvine (77-71), Indiana St. (76-74)

Schedule: https://utrockets.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule
Roster: https://utrockets.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster
Stats: https://utrockets.com/documents/2023/11/6/Toledo_MBB_Stats_23-24.pdf

Toledo is led by Ra’Heim Moss (16.7 ppg & 5.2 reb), Dante Maddox Jr. (13.3 ppg), Javan Simmons (12.5 ppg), and Sonny Wilson (9.0 ppg). Ben Wight (2.8 ppg) rounds out the starting line-up. Tyler Cochran (8.2 ppg), Andre Lorentsson ( 6.7 ppg), and Sam Lewis (5.3 ppg) are the main contributors off the bench.

The Rockets have averaged 81.3 points per game while giving up 76.7. Toledo is shooting 49.3% from the floor and 40.4% from 3. Opponents are shooting 51.8% from the field and 33.3% from 3. Toledo shoots74.2% from the free throw line and average 12.5 turnovers per game. The Rockets have been out rebounded by their opponents by an average of 1.5 boards per game.

My prediction: Early season success continues. GMU 77 - Toledo 75.

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The game is on ESPN+.

Toledo is a member of the Mid American Conference (MAC). Toledo was picked to finish 4th in MAC preseason polls. Dante Maddox Jr. was chosen to the preseason MAC first team.

KenPom: Gives us a 40% chance of winning.
GMU - 107
Toledo - 114
NET:
GMU - 139
Toledo - 82

We are 2-3 (.400) against Toledo all-time.

Toledo is currently 3-3 overall. They are 2-0 at home, 1-0 on the road, and 0-3 at neutral sites.

Wins: Detroit Mercy (94-60), Louisiana (87-78), Wright St. (78-77)
Losses: New Mexico (92-84), UC Irvine (77-71), Indiana St. (76-74)

Schedule: https://utrockets.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule
Roster: https://utrockets.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster
Stats: https://utrockets.com/documents/2023/11/6/Toledo_MBB_Stats_23-24.pdf

Toledo is led by Ra’Heim Moss (16.7 ppg & 5.2 reb), Dante Maddox Jr. (13.3 ppg), Javan Simmons (12.5 ppg), and Sonny Wilson (9.0 ppg). Ben Wight (2.8 ppg) rounds out the starting line-up. Tyler Cochran (8.2 ppg), Andre Lorentsson ( 6.7 ppg), and Sam Lewis (5.3 ppg) are the main contributors off the bench.

The Rockets have averaged 81.3 points per game while giving up 76.7. Toledo is shooting 49.3% from the floor and 40.4% from 3. Opponents are shooting 51.8% from the field and 33.3% from 3. Toledo shoots74.2% from the free throw line and average 12.5 turnovers per game. The Rockets have been out rebounded by their opponents by an average of 1.5 boards per game.

My prediction: Early season success continues. GMU 77 - Toledo 75.

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First big test for us. Think these next few weeks will tell us what this team really is. This is closer to an A10 matchup physically and style wise than anyone we’ve played so far. Need to start hitting in all cylinders here going into mid December. This is winnable but I think we’ll need to really tighten up offensively.
 

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lets see how many people confuse Darius and Dante Maddox

important matchup. Toledo is a solid mid major program and we need to beat a team like this.

I think we take this one.

mason 75
toledo 68
 
Not breaking with the optimistic takes until this team turns this into a "social season"

Social season definition - When Mason's lack of talent and coaching becomes so evident that all chance of post-season play at any level is gone, and the only reason to attend a game is to get hammered in the Gold Room with your chums"

For the first time in a long time, I don't think we will be doing the social thing this year.

Us - 80
Klinger's Hometown - 75
 

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From reading the Toledo boards regarding their past 3 games, it sounds like this team is talented but young. Hopefully Mason's relative experience gives them an edge.
 
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"TEAM TIDBITS
• Toledo leads the MAC in THREE categories — 49.3 FG%, 40.4 3PTFG% and 8.2 spg.
• The Rockets rank in the NCAA's Top 20 in TWO categories - 13th in three-point FG% (40.4) and 16th in turnovers forced per game (17.0).
SEVEN Rockets are shooting 50.0% or higher (min. 2.0 shots/game) from the field
SEVEN Rockets are scoring 5.0 ppg or more with FOUR averaging 9.0 ppg or higher.
• UT's bench is averaging 27.0 ppg compared to its opponent's total of 8.0 ppg.
• Toledo has registered FIVE 20-win seasons in the last SIX years. In addition, the Rockets are one of 11 programs nationally to win 21 or more games each of the last THREE seasons. Other schools to do so are Baylor, Belmont, Drake, Gonzaga, Houston, Kansas, Morehead State, UAB, UCLA, and USC.
• Toledo is the only MAC school to win 13 or more league games in five of the last six years.
• UT's last two defeats to UC Irvine (77-71) and Indiana State (76-74) snapped a six-game winning streak in games decided by six points or less.

HOME SWEET HOME
• Toledo is 40-4 (.909) over the last three-plus seasons in Savage Arena. UT has a 10-game home winning streak dating back to last year. The Rockets' defeats have come at the hands of Ball State last year, Dayton and Kent State in the 2021-22 season and Bowling Green in the 2020-21 campaign. UT's last regular-season non-conference defeat was vs. Wright State on Dec. 21, 2019.
• The Rockets' home records over the last three years are 13-1 (2022-23), 13-2 (2021-22) and 12-1 (2020-21).
• The Rockets' unbeaten home mark (15-0) under Coach Kowalczyk in 2013-14 was their first since 1966-67 and just the fourth time in school history UT accomplished the feat."
 

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Naturally the Toledo promo for the game emphasizes their offensive strength and indeed their Kenpom 3 pt shooting % is 14th in the country. While our 2 pt % defense is 5th nationally, our 3 pt defense is only 266 at 35%. So advantage Rockets on that stat.

However, The Toledo defense is weak (347th) on effective fg% and especially on 2 pt % (357th) at 61%.

In their last 3 games they've given up 92, 77, and 76 pts in losing to top 100 teams.
 

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PATRIOT TRIVIA​


There are over 350+ Division I basketball schools.

On Wednesday night, Mason joined a small group with their 13th combined win in the first month of the 2023-24 season.

Entering play on Thursday night, how many schools, including the Patriots, have 13 or more wins combined between their men’s and women’s programs?


TRIVIA ANSWER​

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Answer: 8.

Mason is one of only eight schools in the country with 13+ combined wins so far in 2023-24. Joining the Patriots are Mississippi State (14), Santa Clara (14), Texas (13), Washington State (13), Texas Tech (13), TCU (13) and Marquette (13).
 

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Answer: 8.

Mason is one of only eight schools in the country with 13+ combined wins so far in 2023-24. Joining the Patriots are Mississippi State (14), Santa Clara (14), Texas (13), Washington State (13), Texas Tech (13), TCU (13) and Marquette (13).

Craziest thing here: UConn men are undefeated, but together, they don't combine for 13+ wins.
 

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PATRIOT TRIVIA​


There are over 350+ Division I basketball schools.

On Wednesday night, Mason joined a small group with their 13th combined win in the first month of the 2023-24 season.

Entering play on Thursday night, how many schools, including the Patriots, have 13 or more wins combined between their men’s and women’s programs?

TRIVIA ANSWER​

Screenshot_2023-11-21_at_2.37.51_PM.jpeg

Answer: 8.

Mason is one of only eight schools in the country with 13+ combined wins so far in 2023-24. Joining the Patriots are Mississippi State (14), Santa Clara (14), Texas (13), Washington State (13), Texas Tech (13), TCU (13) and Marquette (13).
We’re in good company.
 
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