Is it really that Bad???

duncanlamb

Sixth Man
Pardon me but it seems to be that Mason played probably its toughest OOC in quite sometime.

Your losses are

South Florida(AAC) 9-6
Oklahoma(Big 12) 12-3
Iowa State(Big 12) 14-2
Oregon state (Pac -12) 8-6
Princeton (Ivy) 11-2
Iona (MAAC) 6-7
ODU (C-USA) 6-9

Five of the seven losses are against teams with combine record of 54-19. Your bad losses against teams with a combine record of 12-16; this is not horrible. Looking at your schedule: You can beat St. Joes, URI, Dusquene, Forham, St. Bonaventure, and Lasalle. If you hold serve on those 7 with one or two win against the upper echelon of the A-10, you could be anywhere from 7-9 to 9-7 with a decent seeding going into the Barclay center in March.
 
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duncanlamb

duncanlamb

Sixth Man
This isn't even close to GMU's darkest hour in Basketball History...this was..

Following his tenure with the Nuggets, Westhead returned to college coaching as the head coach of George Mason University from 1993–1997. This time, Westhead's run-and-gun style did not succeed at the college level, ending his tenure at Mason with a 38–70 record. Westhead was succeeded at Mason by Jim Larranaga after the 1996–1997 season.
 

gmutom

Hall of Famer
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DuncanLamb, while you're right that there're are only a few bad losses on paper, I think our discontent has more to do with the belief that the team isn't getting better. Losing Arledge hurt us, but we'd still like to see some signs of improvement from the coaches and players.
 

Cool Disco Dan

Sixth Man
Duncan - watch us play on Thurs before you start trying to make us feel better about our team. No comments until Copes is flying over Reddic's back for at least the third or fouth time. Our 4 man junior class has scored a combined 124 points in 14 games. How do you think next year is looking if that's what we are getting out of our seniors?
 

EXpatriot13

Starter
Ok, but some of those OOC games should have been won: USF, Princeton, OSU, ODU. And you can't pencil in a win against St. Joes (who almost beat UMass on the road tonight without a starter), St. Bona, LaSalle or URI with the team we have this year. We can lose to literally any team on any given night because this team is so inconsistent and lethargic. Saying this team is 7-7 because how tough our OOC schedule has been is pure nonsense.

This thread really deserves the "no comment" comment.
 

gmubrian

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DL. No one said these are our darkest hours. The fact that you are even bringing that up speaks volumes..I would hope we are beyond having to worry about Westhead being the measuring stick for success as Mason men's basketball coach.

Tom hit the nail on the head. This is a senior team. It is almost the exact same team as last year, yet we are playing worse then the start of last year. Shouldn't we be seeing some improvement from this squad? Shouldn't they be playing more like a team by now?
 
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duncanlamb

duncanlamb

Sixth Man
Duncan - watch us play on Thurs before you start trying to make us feel better about our team. No comments until Copes is flying over Reddic's back for at least the third or fouth time. Our 4 man junior class has scored a combined 124 points in 14 games. How do you think next year is looking if that's what we are getting out of our seniors?

Cool Dan, I am not your average VCU fan. I grew in NOVA and my mother was an associate professor who taught at Mason from 1970 - 1993. As a result, I've seen a lot of Mason basketball as a result. Mason was at its worst during the westhead era before Larranaga; Mason would score 90 pts and other team would score 120. If I am not mistaken, westhead had them practice sprinting with parachutes...

Hewitt is not a great coach but he can get them play better...you can make the NIT..keep the faith...
 

Raider_SPE

Specialist
Behind those wins and losses are big blown leads, a non existent front-court presence (offense or defense), opposing teams getting to the rim at will, etc. As Tom said, there has not been any indication that it will change for the better.
 
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duncanlamb

duncanlamb

Sixth Man
DL. No one said these are our darkest hours. The fact that you are even bringing that up speaks volumes..I would hope we are beyond having to worry about Westhead being the measuring stick for success as Mason men's basketball coach.

Tom hit the nail on the head. This is a senior team. It is almost the exact same team as last year, yet we are playing worse then the start of last year. Shouldn't we be seeing some improvement from this squad? Shouldn't they be playing more like a team by now?

No. I'm just figured I'd put some things in perspective...you will improve...the bottom half of the A-1o isn't all that...Forham, Dusquene, St. Bonnie, URI...get a good night's sleep and good luck tomorrow you guys...either way, I am glad you are in the A-10.
 

EXpatriot13

Starter
No. I'm just figured I'd put some things in perspective...you will improve..

This team will not improve as we move through A10 play and obviously you haven't really seen our games this season other than the 'W' or 'L' in the box score because there is wayyyy more to it than that.
 

gmubrian

All-Conference
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DL. I appreciate you coming over to make an effort to provide us some perspective. For me, you are about a week too late to turn me around. I hope we do improve, it is just seems that after a year and a half with the same players that we would have seen it already.

I'd be interested to know if you have watched many of our games (not just looked at the stats). I'd be interested in a non-Mason fans evaluation of how they see our game play.
 

Cool Disco Dan

Sixth Man
Cool Dan, I am not your average VCU fan. I grew in NOVA and my mother was an associate professor who taught at Mason from 1970 - 1993. As a result, I've seen a lot of Mason basketball as a result. Mason was at its worst during the westhead era before Larranaga; Mason would score 90 pts and other team would score 120. If I am not mistaken, westhead had them practice sprinting with parachutes...

Hewitt is not a great coach but he can get them play better...you can make the NIT..keep the faith...

Ok, I hear you. I knew the Westhead years - I partied with Jason Williams, skipped class with Nate and Ward, studied with Wanjara, and knife-fought with McCants.
 

Cool Disco Dan

Sixth Man
This team will not improve as we move through A10 play and obviously you haven't really seen our games this season other than the 'W' or 'L' in the box score because there is wayyyy more to it than that.

Much like pornography, it's hard to describe good basketball, but you know it when you see it -- and we haven't seen much of it (N Iowa, 30 mins vs USF, parts of games in Hawaii)
 
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duncanlamb

duncanlamb

Sixth Man
Much like pornography, it's hard to describe good basketball, but you know it when you see it -- and we haven't seen much of it (N Iowa, 30 mins vs USF, parts of games in Hawaii)

hah!! I guess you saying its like comparing the spice channel to Playboy....:)
 

Quentin Daniels

Hall of Famer
No. I'm just figured I'd put some things in perspective...you will improve...the bottom half of the A-1o isn't all that...Forham, Dusquene, St. Bonnie, URI...get a good night's sleep and good luck tomorrow you guys...either way, I am glad you are in the A-10.

Neither was Towson last year.

A-10 schedule is starting so I guess we'll see.
 

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