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gmujim92

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Josh is 4 for 23 (17.4%) in his career (A little funny that those three's stats from three are almost identical). I'm all for optimism, but it'd be pretty against the stats to expect those three to be on the floor at the same time and space the floor. And you can't expect driving lanes to be there if the defense can just sag off 2 or 3 players on the perimeter.

In your defense, those very well may be the best 5 players on the roster. I just don't think it works as a lineup. I'm more hopeful that Jones will be ready and can space the floor than for any of those three to drastically improve their shots. Hartwell and Gaines could be an intriguing combination to bring off the bench.
Yeah their 3-point numbers aren’t great, but all in a very small sample size. No reason to think they can’t or won’t improve significantly given development and opportunity.
 

tblack33

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That’s true but typically defense sets the tone and offense comes in off the bench. Regardless some rotation of Schwartz, Gaines and Frazier at the 3 is a nice problem to have.
Agree, lockdown defenders generally are starters because in an ideal world, you want to keep the other teams best player from getting into a rhythm to start. It’s much easier to get them off on a cold streak than it is to come try to cool them down after they’ve torched us. That being said I have no idea if Gaines will start. I personally would like to see it, but I know he’s also one of our biggest unknowns at the moment. Will be interested to see how it shakes out over the summer.
 

Patriotsince81

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Agree, lockdown defenders generally are starters because in an ideal world, you want to keep the other teams best player from getting into a rhythm to start. It’s much easier to get them off on a cold streak than it is to come try to cool them down after they’ve torched us. That being said I have no idea if Gaines will start. I personally would like to see it, but I know he’s also one of our biggest unknowns at the moment. Will be interested to see how it shakes out over the summer.
If Gaines is the defensive stopper he is advertised to be he'll most likely start. If he's as good as KE says I see him being able to lock down anyone 1 - 3. Watanabe at GW absolutely owned Otis much to my/our dismay. I still hate the "flop" but I'll save that for the correct thread.
 

Quentin Daniels

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Oduro, Schwartz, Gaines, Cooper, Polite = pretty damn good

I went w/Hartwell (at least on Day 1) but otherwise same thinking.

I'm not ready to give up on Gaines as a scoring threat either. And I know that's an odd thing to say when you look at his stats from last season, but the guy was playing sixth off the bench behind a ridiculous rotation of 3 NBA draft picks (two first-rounders & 1 lottery pick), a 5-star do-it-all player, and a former top 100 recruit/3 point shooter. That's a a damn tough rotation to see minutes, not to mention getting into a rhythm to take shots or being the best option to take the shot.

If you go back to his freshman year, before 3 of those 5 where on the team or eligible to play, he still wasn't filling up the basket but did have some flashes.
* 4-7 in 10 min. in his very first game against UNC Asheville
* 6 game stretch from Nov. 30th thru Dec. where he was 4-4 (x3), 2-2 (x2), & 4-6 in FT attempts showing he could get the basket and draw fouls.
* 6 pts against Arkansas going 4-5 from the FT line and 7 pts a few weeks later going 3-4 on FGs.

He's not a Tony Skinn or Lamar Butler, but not 100% sold yet that he's just a one dimensional player either. W/the opportunity for more minutes and a regular spot in the rotation, I can see where Gaines becomes a player that regularly drives to the basket to dunk or draw the foul, as well as a threat to shoot a mid-range jumper if there's not a hand in his face.
 
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Petey Buckets

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With the scoring we'll have on the floor between Schwartz, Cooper, and Oduro, Ticket doesn't need to become a polished scorer overnight. He really just needs to develop One Thing he can do offensively to not be a liability. Can be getting to the bucket on back cuts, first one down the floor for runouts, spot up 3s, doesn't really matter what - just develop one skill on offense that lets you score 6-8 a game and that's perfectly fine for a fifth starter/lockdown defender type. I'm high on him for a lot of reasons - seems like a great kid, elite defender, and as QD pointed out, was buried behind some outrageous talent at Tennessee.

I have fever dreams of him becoming the guy we put on Lofton, Gilyard, Perkins, Hall, etc. Really hope it works out because I love everything I hear about him.
 

sleeperpick

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Has anyone made a comparison to former Kim English teammate, Tayshaun Prince? If he can be the Mason version, that'd be fantastic.
whoa! putting a ton of stock into the kid who played 50 mins last year. He also would need to grow a couple of inches to make that comparison work wouldn't he?
 

FreeGunston12

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whoa! putting a ton of stock into the kid who played 50 mins last year. He also would need to grow a couple of inches to make that comparison work wouldn't he?
Well I did pretty much bash his shooting earlier. Not predicting anything. In fact, I think he will see much less floor time than many on these boards.

Just with all the talk of him being a defensive stopper, and given his height and lankiness, the comparison came to mind. Yes, Tayshaun was a whole 2 inches taller. He also famously had a 7-2 wingspan. But this is George Mason and not the Detroit Pistons.
 

sleeperpick

Hall of Famer
Well I did pretty much bash his shooting earlier. Not predicting anything. In fact, I think he will see much less floor time than many on these boards.

Just with all the talk of him being a defensive stopper, and given his height and lankiness, the comparison came to mind. Yes, Tayshaun was a whole 2 inches taller. He also famously had a 7-2 wingspan. But this is George Mason and not the Detroit Pistons.
I thought Gaines was an inch shorter than he is and Prince was an inch taller than he is...
 

gmujim92

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Given KE's level of recruiting, why would he offer a guy who averaged 5+3 in the ASun and lost playing time last year? It's not exactly cut and dry but this screams "elite walk-on" and not "scholarship guy." I should clarify I have no inside info.
Because he’s looking for a guy who will be content with playing 5-8 mpg at best behind Oduro?
 

tblack33

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Because he’s looking for a guy who will be content with playing 5-8 mpg at best behind Oduro?
One thing to remember from last season -- Oduro frequently got into foul trouble early that sent him to the bench. I think most of us agree that was a result of Paulsen's defensive schemes more than anything so it is probably a non issue this season, but adding some depth down low def. addresses a need, even if it doesn't seem like our most pressing need at the moment. In KimPossible I trust on this one.
 

sleeperpick

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One thing to remember from last season -- Oduro frequently got into foul trouble early that sent him to the bench. I think most of us agree that was a result of Paulsen's defensive schemes more than anything so it is probably a non issue this season, but adding some depth down low def. addresses a need, even if it doesn't seem like our most pressing need at the moment. In KimPossible I trust on this one.
it certainly is a need, I might even call it our greatest. PG has 4 bodies at least (maybe none of them are our PG of the future, but we have options). The 5 has Oduro and three fringe 4's currently. Maybe it was just the defensive scheme (ole outside defense that allowed a one on one at the rim repeatedly) but I am not buying it as a lot of the fouls resulted from miss timed shot blocking and really slow reaction time and feet on defensive transitioning.
 

gmujim92

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One thing to remember from last season -- Oduro frequently got into foul trouble early that sent him to the bench. I think most of us agree that was a result of Paulsen's defensive schemes more than anything so it is probably a non issue this season, but adding some depth down low def. addresses a need, even if it doesn't seem like our most pressing need at the moment. In KimPossible I trust on this one.
Absolutely … before today we had exactly one big who has played more than garbage minutes in a college game. Adding experienced depth at the 5 can never hurt
 

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