Why Extend Coaches Contracts?

jessej

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What benefit is it to renegotiate/extend contracts with our coaches these days?
IMO
Loyalty - can be enforced via contract terms
1) Buyout clause if coach leaves for another program
a) different terms for Mid-Major vs P4
2) Buyout clause if coach is fired for on court performance / wins or lack thereof

Suppose CTS left Mason tomorrow and was named the HC at Duke or North Carolina or Kentucky or Kansas or UCLA or ...

I would not expect GMU to offer him the same salary to stay, but this should be turned into a positive in terms of recruiting the next coach, players and even the general student body.

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University Commitment
paying a winning coach in the top 25% of league salaries signals a commitment to the program - both to that specific coach, but all potential future coaches as well as other members of the Conference and the larger college basketball community in general.
It tells everyone that Bball is important, and your sport is the top dog on campus. That in of itself will serve to attract talent - both coaching and players.

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The NIL Arms Race

There is no guarantee that an NIL Budget of $3M to $5M will produce wins. But you are assured to lose if you don't compete on those terms. If GMU has $0 NIL budget and the rest of the A-10 averages $1M budget then most of the good players will go to those teams - not GMU.

But when every team has relatively the same amount of NIL Budget, then all you have done is raise the minimum cost of competing. Conference wide the average cost of a win (and loss) has risen.

Players are winners in this system, smart players can exploit the system and get "supra-normal" returns, i.e., payments above their actual value. - i.e. Haynes goes from ACC bench to starter and A-10 First Team to asking for $1M

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Value of a Coach

I believe that the head coach is the key determinant of a program's success. This extends to his rolodex (yes i am old) in that gets access to assistant coaches, staff, players and the ability to create "goodwill" across all of those "actors". This is especially critical in the free agency period where coaches must recruit teams every season. Player evaluation and player development skills are required for success.

In this case CTS is a great match for Mason, and i hope that this season he goes into his rolodex to get us a higher quality OOC schedule. And this last season's results show that his (and his staffs') player evaluation and player development skills are spot on.

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Some schools run BBall programs with an implicit coach's salary cap. They will only attract young and upcoming coaches who use the program as a proving ground then move onto a bigger, better programs after winning. This is not inherently bad as for some programs this is all they can afford.
The problem is that not every coach hired will be a winner and firing a coach or multiple coaches can be costly, both in monetary terms as well as "goodwill". I am glad that the new GMU leadership has not followed this path and seemed to have learned a lesson from the loss of Kim English.
 

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What lesson was learned from Kimmie? That two years as HC isn’t enough to know if in the long run a coach is going to be successful? Obviously not.
 

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What lesson was learned from Kimmie? That two years as HC isn’t enough to know if in the long run a coach is going to be successful? Obviously not.
CTS was not Masons first choice. And although he has done great in his first 2 years, that is the wrong metric to use.

The correct metric would be the team performance over the last 2 years if
1) KE had never left, if the administration had met his request quicker; or
2) Replacement choice #1 had not turned down Mason's offer; or
3) Replacement choice #2 had not turned down Mason's offer: or ....
 

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CTS was not Masons first choice. And although he has done great in his first 2 years, that is the wrong metric to use.

The correct metric would be the team performance over the last 2 years if
1) KE had never left, if the administration had met his request quicker; or
2) Replacement choice #1 had not turned down Mason's offer; or
3) Replacement choice #2 had not turned down Mason's offer: or ....
I had a sense that Mason was interested in Ryan Odum, but vcu got to him first and we couldn't compete financially with them. Am I making this up?
 

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CTS was not Masons first choice. And although he has done great in his first 2 years, that is the wrong metric to use.

The correct metric would be the team performance over the last 2 years if
1) KE had never left, if the administration had met his request quicker; or
2) Replacement choice #1 had not turned down Mason's offer; or
3) Replacement choice #2 had not turned down Mason's offer: or ....
I had a sense that Mason was interested in Ryan Odum, but vcu got to him first and we couldn't compete financially with them. Am I making this up?
Tony was always Masons first choice.
What lesson was learned from Kimmie? That two years as HC isn’t enough to know if in the long run a coach is going to be successful? Obviously not.
Being proactive matters, and that we got lucky we had a guy 30 minutes up the road who was ready to take over. And that guy has turned out to be a gem of a coach.
 

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More money to the coach means a bigger buyout, even if it’s not directly proportional.
 
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I thought this might be semi-relevant to this discussion. With NCAA D-1 looking more and more like NBA with players being paid, I thought it would be interesting to look at what percentage of the roster pay a coach's pay represents in the NBA. The answer to that is 4.34%. The highest paid coach in the NBA, Steve Kerr, represents 9.81% of the player payroll for the GSWs.

It is a little bit of an apples to oranges comparison (maybe fuji apples to granny smith apples) with NCAA, but, I suspect if things continue the way they are currently headed, things will continue to look more and more similar, at least administratively. Take the fact that a lot of schools are hiring basketball GMs as another indication of that.
 

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I thought this might be semi-relevant to this discussion. With NCAA D-1 looking more and more like NBA with players being paid, I thought it would be interesting to look at what percentage of the roster pay a coach's pay represents in the NBA. The answer to that is 4.34%. The highest paid coach in the NBA, Steve Kerr, represents 9.81% of the player payroll for the GSWs.

It is a little bit of an apples to oranges comparison (maybe fuji apples to granny smith apples) with NCAA, but, I suspect if things continue the way they are currently headed, things will continue to look more and more similar, at least administratively. Take the fact that a lot of schools are hiring basketball GMs as another indication of that.
You might actually be on to something analysis wise and I would say its closer in terms of models - maybe Fresh Granny Smith Apples to 2 - week ol Granny Smith Apples.
 

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vcu is paying Martelli 1.45M with 100k raises each year. Buyout is 1M to start and begins dropping in Year 3 of the contract. I'm sure their patented H&H clause is in there as well.
 

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vcu is paying Martelli 1.45M with 100k raises each year. Buyout is 1M to start and begins dropping in Year 3 of the contract. I'm sure their patented H&H clause is in there as well.
Heard about this earlier this morning. Its apparent that they are going with the "high potential" approach and starting him off a little lower. If I had to bet, with success he will be closer to the 2m mark within a year or two.

That said, that is about the starting range a new coach to the A10 is going to get unless they are a first time coach, in my opinion. Maybe you can get away with a smidge lower if a brand new coach.
 

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Thought this thread was worth bumping.

Mason’s 2024-25 season ended on Saturday, March 22 with the NIT loss to Bradley. On that day, five seniors — three starters and our top two reserves — exhausted their eligibility.

In the weeks that followed, six others entered the transfer portal, leaving just two scholarship players on the roster.

It’s now April 25. Tony and the staff have completely rebuilt the team with a diverse array of skillsets, proven contributors and an intriguing big man — along with the possibility of adding a versatile 6-9 combo forward to the mix as a fifth incoming double-figure scorer.

What they’ve done in a little over a month, without a massive budget to spend on players, is position Mason to at least have a chance to be damn good again next season.

This is why you pay to retain high-quality coaches.
 

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What they’ve done in a little over a month, without a massive budget to spend on players, is position Mason to at least have a chance to be damn good again next season.

This is why you pay to retain high-quality coaches.

anyone willing to post the NIL budget?
 

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anyone willing to post the NIL budget?
That is something that definitely won't make the boards or be volunteered unless it becomes some sort of public information. I don't think anyone has seen exact figures except those heavily involved with NIL ( I certainly have never seen exacts), and I don't believe they would be willing to share or can share.

From my understanding, we have a solid budget that's very competitive. I know its a boring response but we definitely have a decent amount of funds even if its not bottomless.
 

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That is something that definitely won't make the boards or be volunteered unless it becomes some sort of public information. I don't think anyone has seen exact figures except those heavily involved with NIL ( I certainly have never seen exacts), and I don't believe they would be willing to share or can share.

From my understanding, we have a solid budget that's very competitive. I know its a boring response but we definitely have a decent amount of funds even if its not bottomless.
I ASSUME you mean competitive with the rest of the A-10 and/or the KenPom teams ranked 75-100.
But not competitive with Duke, Kentucky, UCLA, UNC, Kansas, UConn, Houston, Alabama, et al; or even Georgetown and/or Maryland.
 

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I ASSUME you mean competitive with the rest of the A-10 and/or the KenPom teams ranked 75-100.
But not competitive with Duke, Kentucky, UCLA, UNC, Kansas, UConn, Houston, Alabama, et al; or even Georgetown and/or Maryland.
lol yes competitive in line with the a10. Like top 6 or so. In a solid spot.

Not in the bucket with power schools. I don’t have exacts so it’s hard to compare to not league peers, I just know we do decent compared to the league.
 

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lol yes competitive in line with the a10. Like top 6 or so. In a solid spot.

Not in the bucket with power schools. I don’t have exacts so it’s hard to compare to not league peers, I just know we do decent compared to the league.
yeah, if we had Duke NIL money the roster would look a lot different,
but then again, the roster would also look very different if we had UMBC or Howard NIL money
 
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