Welcome Kim English

[GMU_DCU]

If he finds replacements who are as good as or better than the guys who leave, fine by me. We’ve gotta get used to the fact that the roster is going to turn over more than ever with the new transfer rules ... can’t get attached to individual players anymore.

might as well let colleges trade players mid season and have a trade deadline at this point....it's getting ridiculous.

 

[GMU_DCU]

Definitely need to get rid of the saying "player has committed to such and such college/university." Need to say "Player has currently decided to play for such and such college/university until further notice".

 

[GMUgemini]

might as well let colleges trade players mid season and have a trade deadline at this point....it's getting ridiculous.

You could add training compensation a la soccer to that list, too.

 

[dr. gunnie]

There's another podcast that had an interview with Kim yesterday called "The Auto Bid". Has a couple good nuggets - favorite is Kim talks about recruiting and says that his staff will meet every day and talk about recruiting. Every day. I know it's on Apple's Podcasts - just search The Auto Bid - Episode 17. Interview starts at about 27:10.

 

[GMU_DCU]

You could add training compensation a la soccer to that list, too.

transfers...big schools pay smaller schools to develop their talent for them.

 

[GMUgemini]

Definitely need to get rid of the saying "player has committed to such and such college/university." Need to say "Player has currently decided to play for such and such college/university until further notice".

Basically have to start looking at college basketball less as a collegiate sport and more as a minor league and/or academy system. Let's just rip the bandaid off and go full professioinalization...four year contracts for all players with transfer fees. A player like Jordan blows up and a P5 wants him? Come with the cash and buy out his contract.

 

[Pikapppatri8]

Basically have to start looking at college basketball less as a collegiate sport and more as a minor league and/or academy system. Let's just rip the bandaid off and go full professioinalization...four year contracts for all players with transfer fees. A player like Jordan blows up and a P5 wants him? Come with the cash and buy out his contract.

Oh yes this!

 

[Old Man]

Basically have to start looking at college basketball less as a collegiate sport and more as a minor league and/or academy system. Let's just rip the bandaid off and go full professioinalization...four year contracts for all players with transfer fees. A player like Jordan blows up and a P5 wants him? Come with the cash and buy out his contract.

Uh, I vote no. If you're going to go that route, take athletics out of colleges. Go straight minor league all the way. I'm tired of athletes and those in their ears devaluing the education opportunity they have been given. If they don't take advantage of it, it's on them, and they might as well have a minor league instead of college.

 

[GMUgemini]

Uh, I vote no. If you're going to go that route, take athletics out of colleges. Go straight minor league all the way. I'm tired of athletes and those in their ears devaluing the education opportunity they have been given. If they don't take advantage of it, it's on them, and they might as well have a minor league instead of college.

A, you'd have to convince the NBA and NFL to actually set up a real academy and/or minor league system and stop using the universities as one. This would lower the quality of players who came through the university system as the better players would be signing pro contracts early (for the NBA, since it's a global sport, I'd actually like for them to adopt a more European style player development/acquisition model -- probably similar to how the MLS does it).

For this, it would still be a minor league, just sponsored by the university, in the same way we used to have company sponsored leagues and teams. You'd make it a youth league (U-23), make them employees of the university, and they would go to school while they played here.

This is what happens in the academy systems in Europe and America in soccer. Many teams have residential high schools attached to their academies (even in the U.S.) where the players go. By the way, if a player's contract gets bought out, the player gets 10% of the transfer fee (sometimes more).

I mean, this is basically the route we're going anyway, might as well embrace it.

disclaimer: as a teacher of sometimes student-athletes, I'd have preferred we deemphasized collegiate athletics just a little bit, but it's a huge business at this point (that cat has been left out of the bag). And I'd rather we had a properly established relationship between player and university than what we've got going on now.

 

[dr. gunnie]

Coach referenced the "Feed the Floor" motto yesterday - something that the Vols have used the last few years.

I would love for Mason to have a Mason basketball specific slogan (no, Mason Nation doesn't count) that would describe our team... or our style of play. I'm hoping that English/the team comes up with something that might stick and look nice on some shirts.

I thought "Havoc" might work... does anyone use that?

These are the type of things I waste my time thinking about. Ugh.

 

[By George.]

Coach referenced the "Feed the Floor" motto yesterday - something that the Vols have used the last few years.

I would love for Mason to have a Mason basketball specific slogan (no, Mason Nation doesn't count) that would describe our team... or our style of play. I'm hoping that English/the team comes up with something that might stick and look nice on some shirts.

I thought "Havoc" might work... does anyone use that?

These are the type of things I waste my time thinking about. Ugh.

Burn your boats was a FLOP

 

[gmutom]

I would love for Mason to have a Mason basketball specific slogan (no, Mason Nation doesn't count) that would describe our team... or our style of play.

"To the Portal and Beyond!"

 

[FreeGunston12]

Coach referenced the "Feed the Floor" motto yesterday - something that the Vols have used the last few years.

I would love for Mason to have a Mason basketball specific slogan (no, Mason Nation doesn't count) that would describe our team... or our style of play. I'm hoping that English/the team comes up with something that might stick and look nice on some shirts.

I thought "Havoc" might work... does anyone use that?

These are the type of things I waste my time thinking about. Ugh.

Kryptonite was the final 4 team's thing, right?

 

[patriotchild]

Always wished the program kept the idea of kryptonite and giant killer as our identity. Lost if after all the coach L guys graduated.

I heard it referenced again in the video folarin narrated. that gets me going

seems like a easy way to tie history to the present. it could be very marketable

 

[dr. gunnie]

I liked kryptonite too. I always thought the neon green glow sticks in the stands for intros with the lights out would look cool.

I wonder if they could do a green plastic cover for cell phones that would shine green light when you turn your flashlight on?

Thought a special neon green jersey would be fun too... ugly, but I know the players/students at USF (my niece goes there) love them. They call it “slime”.

 

[gmujim92]

I liked kryptonite too. I always thought the neon green glow sticks in the stands for intros with the lights out would look cool.

I wonder if they could do a green plastic cover for cell phones that would shine green light when you turn your flashlight on?

Thought a special neon green jersey would be fun too... ugly, but I know the players/students at USF (my niece goes there) love them. They call it “slime”.

Like to think these ideas might be under consideration now that we have a young guy in the HC seat ... Dave isn’t technically a Boomer but he ran the program like one

 

[jessej]

Uh, I vote no. If you're going to go that route, take athletics out of colleges. Go straight minor league all the way. I'm tired of athletes and those in their ears devaluing the education opportunity they have been given. If they don't take advantage of it, it's on them, and they might as well have a minor league instead of college.

No Players on College Campuses = no $ Million dollar coaches salaries, limited athletic departments, Much smaller stadiums, if any, and a drop in alumni donations

 

[Herndon]

No Players on College Campuses = no $ Million dollar coaches salaries, limited athletic departments, Much smaller stadiums, if any, and a drop in alumni donations

That would be a world that I could live with. The only issue is mentioned above, the lack of viable minor league sports in america. The answer would probably have to be some sort of European style promotion/relegation system

 

[GMUgemini]

That would be a world that I could live with. The only issue is mentioned above, the lack of viable minor league sports in america. The answer would probably have to be some sort of European style promotion/relegation system

You don't need to do pro/rel.

In the U.S. soccer ecosystem you've got MLS, the USL, and the NISA (if you want to add Canada in the mix, since MLS has three Canadian teams, you've also got the CPL). The USL has three tiers (Championship, League One, League Two with no pro/rel system yet -- might be coming).

Overall, there's maybe 80-100 professional teams of various levels in the country right now (I don't feel like counting them all up).

A lot of MLS teams have USL affiliates either in the Championship or League One tiers. For instance, D.C. United has Loudoun United as a USL affiliate in the Championship. Almost every MLS team also has an academy system beginning usually around U14 or U13.

So, the way player acquisitions work in MLS -- 1) you've got the homegrown contract (players who you sign directly out of your academy, even if they've been to college so long as you sign them before they declare for the draft), 2) if you have a USL affiliate you can also offer them a USL contract. 3) You've got your traditional purchasing player rights from other teams in other leagues. 4) trades within MLS. 5) Free Agency. 6) then several drafts (the Super Draft -- players who are coming out of college; the Supplemental Draft (basically the super draft rounds 3-6; and the player reentry draft (players out of contract or who have had their option years declined). It's a bit of complicated in MLS, but basically the Super Draft has become less and less of a big deal as teams develop out their academy system and use the USL affiliates to develop players.

One wrinkle, and it's something the NBA would probably have to do to keep parity, is an MLS team can put discovery rights claims on overseas players and if another club wants to sign that player they have to trade for their rights first. This way, foreign player acquisitions wouldn't go through the draft, they'd be negotiated directly with their club teams (which the NBA has to do on top of drafting them in the first place).

 

[Falco]

No Players on College Campuses = no $ Million dollar coaches salaries, limited athletic departments, Much smaller stadiums, if any, and a drop in alumni donations

Why less money. They still charge the same tuition but don’t have to offer the students any services.